Please read the following before you fill in the form. These bits of knowledge can solve many questions:
 

	A foal can not be grullo or dun if one of the parents did not carry the dun factor gene. So for example, a foal from a bay mare and a black stallion can not be a grullo.
	A foal can not be roan if one of the parents did not carry the roan gene. So for example, a foal from a bay mare and a black stallion can not be a blue roan.
	Buckskin and black foals often look grullo at birth. I can tell you my opinion on your foal's color. Please be objective.  :-)  We have had many grullo foals, and can "usually" spot grullos and look-alikes if given good photos.
	If you think your horse is grullo, try taking the short quiz here (opens in a new window).
	If you think your horse is blue roan, try taking the short quiz here (opens in a new window).

Special requests/notes:
 

	Please check this page (opens in a new window) before requesting help. Possibly, one of these foal photos will help you determine your foal's color.
	I will need to look at photos. The views listed below are the best to help us evaluate, but others will often work.
	Please don't call on the phone and request a call back. Photos via e-mail are usually essential anyway, so e-mail or use of  this form is the best method for us to communicate anyway. And, we get too many requests for me to return every phone call.
	My replies might be lengthy or very brief, depending upon how easy it is to tell the color.   :-)

Genetic Testing: Note that genetic testing is the best way to be sure of some colors. We can evaluate colors on a horse's pedigree and photos, but some horses are tricky and genetic testing (especially for Agouti) are often the only way to be sure. Tests usually run $25 to $50 each.  www.petdnaservicesaz.com ● http://www.horsetesting.com/index.htm ● www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/service/horse/coatcolor.html

 Please fill in as much of this form as you can.
The more information I have, the better likelihood my opinion will be on the mark!

	Your name
	Your e-mail address  *required*
	Double-check your e-mail address. Include what comes before and after the @ sign. We often get requests with incorrect e-mail addresses, and so our replies come back as undeliverable
	Your phone number
	Your web site address, if applicable. We enjoy looking at other peoples' pretty horses!  :-)
Yes    No This answer is required. If your answer is "no," quit here.	Are you willing to donate $3 for this service offered (assisting you with your horse's color)?  If your answer is "no," do not proceed. Due to excessive numbers of requests when I helped people for free (typically requiring several hours each week), I will no longer offer color advice without the small, $3 donation per horse.
Yes    No	Do we have your permission to use your photos on our educational pages to help other people? We don't do this often, and always get permission first. If you have a neat photo, it would be nice to use it on our educational pages to help other people in the future.
What is your Main Help Request?     I'd like to know if my foal/horse is grullo. Before proceeding, please take the short quiz here (opens in a new window to allow you to finish this form if needed.     I'd like to know if my foal/horse is blue roan. Before proceeding, please take the short quiz here (opens in a new window to allow you to finish this form if needed.     I'm unsure of my horse or foal's color...just looking for help.     Other, described below in the comments section.
Sire's color	Dam's color
Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the sire have a cream gene (buckskin, palomino, dunalino, smoky black, etc.)?	Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the dam have a cream gene (buckskin, palomino, dunalino, smoky black, etc.)?
Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the sire have a roan gene?	Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the dam have a roan gene?
Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the sire have a gray gene?	Yes      No    Don't Know    Does the dam have a gray gene?
If your foal might be dun/grullo, what color was its dorsal stripe shortly after birth (wet or dry)?	Does your horse/foal have white hairs around its eyes, below the knees, or on the bridge of its face/nose? This wouldn't include facial markings, socks, stockings, etc, and refers to white hairs mixed in with the face color or white hairs mixed in with the leg color.
Please describe any further information here that will help me help you. Show Us Photos In order to help you, I will need to see a photo or more than one photo. This can be done: Via e-mail, by attaching photos (which you'll be asked to do after submitting this form) OR A current file on the Internet if you have uploaded a photo to a web site If you have uploaded photos to a location on the Internet, please give me some of the addresses for those files. Include the http:// in front of your addresses.  If you don't have files uploaded to the 'net, you can attach images to an e-mail after submitting this form. Web Page Address (if you have one for this horse/foal) Web page for this foal/horse Photos (if you have uploaded photos to the 'net) Front view (including face)   Side view   Rear view   Dorsal stripe/top view   Front legs: for dun-factored horses, a photo of the back of the knee and just above it. For possible roan horses, and photo of the knee and just above the knee from the front are helpful.   Other   Other

 

Click Submit below to send your initial data regarding your horse/foal's color.
If you need to attach pictures to an e-mail message, you will be able to after submitting this form.

Remember to be objective! I will try my best to help you, and usually am correct. If I'm not sure,
I'll tell you that I'm uncertain. In those cases, I love to receive periodic updates so I know the end result.
I also want to know if my guess is incorrect once a horse has shed out with its mature coat color showing.
That's how we all learn! :-)

I now charge $3 to give an opinion on horse or foal color.

This is strictly to reduce the number of requests I receive, and is not an attempt to make money.

Before charging this small donation fee, I was scrambling to answer (for free) color questions for 2 hours daily.
Now, it's less than an hour a week, so I can spend time with family, career, and our horses.

You will have a chance to donate $3 and send your photos after clicking Submit, below.
Do not click submit, below, unless you are willing to donate $3.

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This page last updated 04/27/09