Before You Spend $3...
Please read the following before
you fill in the form. These bits of knowledge can solve many questions, and
may save you $3. I truly want to be your "last resort" for help...
A foal can not be grullo or dun if one of the parents did
not carry the dun factor gene. So for example, a foal from a bay mare and a
black stallion can not be a grullo.
A foal can not be roan if one of the parents did not carry
the roan gene. So for example, a foal from a bay mare and a black stallion
can not be a blue roan.
Buckskin and black foals often look grullo at birth. I
tell you my opinion on your foal's color. Please be objective.
We have had
many grullo foals, and can "usually" spot grullos and look-alikes if given
If you think your horse is grullo, try taking
the short quiz here (opens in a new window).
If you think your horse is blue roan, try taking
the short quiz here (opens in a new window).
FREE FREE FREE! :-) If you
have a Facebook account, search for groups that have "equine" and
"color" in their titles. Although some people may answer that
don't know much about genetics, there is usually a good population
of people on those groups that will give you the correct answers.
Understand that there is sometimes "drama" on those group walls, as
people disagree with each other. But hey...it's
free, after all! ;-)
Here are a couple of Facebook color groups, but definitely search
for others, especially if you know a specific gene that may be in
Equine Coat Color Genetics group:
Champagne, Silver, and other Rare Horse Colors:
Horses of Unique Color:
There are many other color groups on Facebook that may help you for
this page (opens in a new
window) before requesting help. Possibly, one of these foal photos will
help you determine your foal's color.
I will need to look at photos
to help you. Please don't call on the phone and request a call back. Photos via e-mail are usually essential anyway, so
e-mail or use of this form is the best method for us to communicate
anyway. And, we get too many requests for me to return every phone call.
My replies might be lengthy or
very brief, depending upon how easy it is to tell the color. :-)
Note that genetic testing is the best way to
be sure of some colors. We can evaluate colors on a horse's pedigree and
photos, but some horses are tricky and genetic testing (especially for
Agouti) are often the only way to be sure. Tests usually run $25 to $50
Coat Color Calculator:
If you are wondering what color your upcoming foal might be, you can visit
http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp and input genetics you know
about the sire and dam, and it will give you percentages. Even if you don't
know some of the genetics the sire and dam have, it's kind of fun to do.
Color and Genetic Testing Labs
There are many laboratories in the US and around the
world that do horse color testing, disease testing, etc. When you choose a
lab, make sure it is a reputable one! There are several university-related
labs, which I recommend, and many private labs (some of which can NOT be
recommended!). Here are a few
I'm familiar with:
Animal Genetics, Inc.
Pet DNA of Arizona:
http://www.petdnaservicesaz.com/Equine.html ONLY tests for Brown in horses
PROCEED WITH CAUTION IF YOU CHOOSE TO
USE THIS LAB, BELOW, in my opinion:
DNA Diagnostics (aka Shelterwood Labs, and also affiliated somehow with
Diagnostics/Shelterwood Labs offers a test for multiple
characteristics at one price.
I had seen a fair bit of chatter online about how they cash the checks and
don't give the results of the test. So, I tested them by paying for three
horse tests. Guess what...they sent back two of my horses' test results and
after 4 1/2 months, the third was still missing in action! Repeated phone calls and
e-mails were ignored by the lab. Finally, five months after the test, someone
gave me the results for the third horse.
If you choose to use this lab, my
opinion is to only send them as much money as you are willing to lose, in case
you don't receive your results. Update: A friend just called that used
this lab and she still hasn't received her results after many months of waiting,
phone calls, and e-mails. 3/2010. I know of another horse that tested homozygous
for black that is not homozygous, as he has produced sorrel and palomino
foals. In both cases, Shelterwood does not return their repeated phone calls.
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